Forum:Using English Fan Translation as a source for write up is not Good

Well it has come to my understanding that somehow the english FAN translation of the manga is like a whole lot off.

Example in the quote from character sheet of Miyamoto Rei: If you ever fell in love with another girl... I wouldn't be able to live on!" (To Takashi).

After I read the English Fan translation, then the chinese Fan translation then the Japanese Original... it came to me that what she mean is the following

- she (Rei) wants to be with takashi, she will do anything to be with him even if he will fall in love　with another girl because without doing that she cant survive.

As you can see it give a whole lot different meaning. And it also give more sense as to　why takashi later response as to he does not know to be happy or angry.

there is of course other parts such as at chapter 2 when takashi volunteer to go out to test saya theory so they can leave the school from door and Rei questioning is also not translated properly and some many other parts of the story too.

unless someone can give a better look on it i have confident in my translation of that.

so what im saying is the small minor but important detail throughout at least the earlier translation have quite some problems and because of the Rei is actually being portray as kind of negative. No doubt that other people characters and actions are affected too because of what i believe is in lacking of the ability of the translator.220.255.2.132 11:54, February 20, 2011 (UTC) Anon A

Did you read the scanlations on an online manga reader? If so, you probably read an earlier version. [XLG] retranslated the first 5 volumes, and they even retranslated Volumes 1 and 2 a second time. They knew their translations weren't good. That's why they did them again. Japanese isn't the easiest language to translate into English, and there's always going to be something lost in translation; whether they are official translations or not. We could use the official translations when they are released (slowly over the next year+), but these tend to overly Westernize manga to appeal to the people who don't know much about Japanese culture. For this reason, you really can't rely on them to convey the original message either. I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest, but I think we should continue to use the scanlations as our primary source at this time.Turambar1 15:56, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well after listening to you i went to find xlg HQ to read. it in 832 x 1200. I can tell you i went and see 2 pages that I find is translated in the English FAN translation thats like totally out of context and what i see in the HQ of it the translation is still the same.

alright it was never mention that kouta was ever bullied by his classmate nor was shidou just looking and not doing anything about it. the scene is after kouta miss his nail shot at shidou. that translation is just plain wrong and go take a look at kouta character sheet. The bullying form the CORE of his history where it never happen at all. unless you tell me kouta said it elsewhere. And for a wika, this information is just misleding and wrong.

My first post example is a source of importance, it fueled numerous flame war around the net and yet nobody i come across actually point out that the translation of that is like totally different meaning. The people reading the uploads AND the wika just use the wrong translation as a SOURCE and FACT.

So instead of Wika being a site to transmit correct information, it as of now is just another place to distribute wrong information. Note that im not talking about some alternate ways of translating a line or talking some libery when translating but translating to a different meaning. Of couse in the end it is up to you people who maintain the place what you choose to do, im just a passerby 220.255.1.110 18:10, February 20, 2011 (UTC) Anon A

Well, I agree about the Kohta thing. I didn't know that was still on his page. If you find stuff like that, it would be great if you could fix it. There are only a few of us who are active on here right now, and no one really has much time to edit. Please, instead of complaining in the forum, do something about it. The point of a wiki is to have an online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, so take advantage and join our community.

It doesn't really matter if the translations are right or not. The scanlations are the only widely available English-translated source of the manga, so we have no choice but to accept them as fact. If there are major changes in the official English volumes, we will discuss at that time whether we will change anything on the wiki or not, as we did with the English release of Volume 1. Until then, what comes from the scanlations is fact, and I'm sure most other users here will agree with me.Turambar1 18:54, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

As of this writing now kouta entry was edited by you Turambar1 a day a ago and yes it still there and it being writen as his CORE history. oh yeah so it doesnt matter if the imformation is right or wrong as long as because it came from a scanlation so it must be FACT, so why are you then agreeing on the kouta issue? Scanlation say he was bullied so he must be. Arent you now being selective then? And yet you still asking to go correct those FACTS?

And I pointed out things which according to scanlation is just my own fanfiction and yet you are asking that i go input it?

Im so glad that im complaning here instead of editing, i now see that by pointing out grave errors of establish facts are just people complaining. It really doesnt pays, all my works are just complains. yeah passing through.... mind leting me know where does that volume 1 discussion you says take place? if you are so kind. 220.255.1.133 20:38, February 20, 2011 (UTC)Anon A

You need to calm down a bit. I don't want to have to ban anyone, but this is your one and only warning.

The scanlation is being considered fact because that's all there is. There aren't multiple translation sources to choose from. I don't know how to make this any clearer. This is an English wiki, and most people here can't read Japanese, so we don't have any other option than to go with the scanlations. If you can read Japanese, by all means, enlighten us.

Yeah, I edited Kohta's page, but I only got on there to change a title. When I have 96 articles, over 200 images, templates, forums, blogs, and administrative pages to monitor, I don't really have the time to go through and read an entire article to clean it up. People add new stuff to articles all the time, and I don't have time to keep up with all of it. I have other stuff to work on, and I trust the other users to help keep up with that kind of stuff.

The discussion was in a blog I posted here. Keep in mind the warning I gave you here carries over to there. If you can't keep a civilized tone, don't be surprised if you are banned.--Turambar1 21:43, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

ok so it comes to this, am i the one with problems or are you the one with the attitude problems that you need to chill. you say you want people to enlighten you, yet you again say the scanlation is the fact. so how are you going to explect people who may know better help? No matter what they point out, it is not fact that here accepts.

If you still dont see how ridiculous your stand is, if you still dont see how when people like me see something which they find incorrect come to the forum first to discuss first instead of go correcting straight away, then i have nothing to add.

For all im trying to do, you are the one who devalue it to just mere complaining, you are the one who wants help yet again not accepting any that you deem not correct regradless of authentication.

When i point out the flip flopping of your standards you are the one threatening people with ban, twice! And yes now this is complaining for your information.

well you are the one with the authority, for all i wish to share and help and pointing out your inconsistency, you are the one threatening to ban me and that is civilized tone?

How about you purge this whole talk? And ban me. 220.255.2.136 04:18, February 21, 2011 (UTC)Anon A

I didn't threaten you, I gave you a warning. You're previous posts were growing more defensive, and giving you the ban warning was a way to prevent it escalating any further. It is my obligation to ensure any users who could be detrimental to this wiki are dealt with. Whether that means banning or not is up to the user in question, hence the warning. I know you probably don't plan on vandalising the wiki, but I have to take the precautionary measure nonetheless. Just to let you know, your tone in the last post was better, but it could still improve.

I'm going to make my point one more time. I'm not trying to say the scanlation is the only source and nothing else is acceptable. The scanlation is the only source that is available to everyone. Your personal translation and interpretation is only available to you. We can't just let everyone contribute based on their own translations which differ from the widely available source or we would have too much conflicting information. If you would like us to consider changing our information to something other than what is in the scanlations, the proper way to do so would be to start a new forum post proposing the changes and include your exact translation in some type of script form so that we know what is going on. The community will then discuss whether to make those changes or not. Also keep in mind that, just because you interpreted something a certain way doesn't necessarily make it right. Some phrases can be interpreted several different ways, so it would behoove you to keep an open mind to other translations.

I hope this post has been clearer than my others. I don't think I ever used an uncivilized tone, but if I offended you in some way, I apologize. If you plan on taking my advice about how to propose the changes, I suggest you register and get a username so you can officially become part of our community.Turambar1 05:20, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

im actually questioning myself to reply you or not. lets get the small things out of the way first. yes you threaten to ban me, twice. Recognise it. You tone in your last post was better but it could still impove too. not including your last paragraph. its a mirror, read through your post(s) again and understand who the first to go out of line.

Let me make my point one more time too. Ever thought why i am here posting? Are you actually reading my post fully and maybe even your own post? I dont want to sound so offensive, you seems to be the one not keeping an open mind to others. It important so i will repeat again, Ever thought why i am here posting?

one more thing, I though I AM the one that started this "new" forum post. Looking at how events goes, seem Im overdue in my stay.220.255.2.173 07:45, February 21, 2011 (UTC)Anon A

Technically, this is a public wikia, we have to keep an orderly manner around other people, but it seems to me that you’ve overstayed your welcome. I personally dislike your tone of voice addressing others and I feel that since you are neither the writer of HOTD nor an expert, you are in no position to call any of us writing our articles based off incorrect information

Since what you are saying is basically your own opinions, I don’ think are as any close to being precise as we are. One the wikia, it’s a culmination of different writers who have been viewing different sources to combine all of our knowledge into one specific method to present it to the masses. I don’t think that you making a fuss here will do any of us good

As for Turambar’s attitude, Turambar is in no way a rude person and I believe that he at least, should deserve your respect. Afterall, he is the main admin of this wikia page. Without him, this wikia would’ve never existed, so be thankful of that. He has not used any uncivilized tone against you. From his ban warning, I believe he’s just being a bit strict, but definitely not without a purpose. I recommend you apologize for your unruly and uncalled for behaviour

I hope you realize that this is a MATURE community. We don’t accept any tomfoolery presented by other users that are rude to others. I’m not trying to “flame” you, but your actions are beyond reasonable. Since the beginning of the operation of this wikia, we’ve yet to meet someone with such insolent behaviour. I’m rather quite surprised that you have not been banned for your maltreatment to others. Consider Turambar being a bit soft on the call. In case you get the wrong idea, we aren’t running this wikia as a dictatorship. We love to share ideas with others and get along with them as well. Afterall, it is a COMMUNITY page

If I were you, I’d reconsider your actions and apologize. If you would like to voice out your opinions, we are more than glad to hear them, BUT…only under the conditions that you present them as “ideas”, and not something you’d like to force on others. The whole point of having a forum discussion is so we can share our thoughts and brainstorm on how to improve this wikia, not to tell others that “OH you’re so f***ing stupid, that is totally wrong!”. I hope you can keep that in mind the next time you make a comment on this wikia.

Just because you made this forum post, it doesn’t mean you “OWN” this post and you should receive any special treatment. Same thing goes with other pages. It’s like saying, just because Turambar made this wikia, doesn’t mean he “owns” it. It’s a COMMUNITY thing

By the way…in case you are fuming mad at the moment, don’t forget. We have your IP address, therefore I’d strongly advise you not to make any hasty decisions and convict yourself even further. Unfortunately for you, now that I’ve become aware of this incident, I’m quite unlike Turambar, and my index finger is itching to ban you if you make one more wrong move.

08:08, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Then go ahead and ban me, purge this thread too for not being up to you standard. Considering what you said about this being both community and mature yet still restorting to threatening to ban me show contrary to what you are saying. And that is not what you say dictarotrship? “OH you’re so f***ing stupid, that is totally wrong!” so tell me where did I write anything like that? btw in case you cant, so is making thing up to call people part of the work of an admin?

let me quote you : "I personally dislike your tone of voice addressing others and I feel that since you are neither the writer of HOTD nor an expert, you are in no position to call...." and yet you are presenting yourself in the same way, so why are you being omited by your own rule?

you said that you are a chinese and japanese translator and yet you dont go and verify the information in this wikia, well thats fine, not everybody have all the time always. And yet I started this thread to present questionable information stated here and yet with all your expertise you dont even go verify the information and just conclude "Since what you are saying is basically your own opinions, I don’ think are as any close to being precise as we are. One the wikia, it’s a culmination of different writers who have been viewing different sources to combine all of our knowledge into one specific method to present it to the masses. I don’t think that you making a fuss here will do any of us good"

so is that how a good wikia admin should work?

you believe what Turambar wrote is being a bit strict but still acting in good faith, why so? because you know him, work with him longer? And then you judge that im not so im in the wrong, and again why so? Do you know me?

The same, do I know both you and Turambar? So i have to judge that he and maybe you are acting in good faith and show both respect, yet from my point of view you both did not. So by your own recommandation what should YOU do then? Or are you trying to show that yet again you are omited from your own rule?

In all my life in any board i never met such unreasonable moderator with such insolent behaviour. Im quite surprised that you are still keeping your position for your maltreatment to others "Since the beginning of the operation of this wikia, we’ve yet to meet someone with such insolent behaviour. I’m rather quite surprised that you have not been banned for your maltreatment to others"

Maybe this skip your mind or maybe you are just selective in reading, Turambar suggested that I start "new forum post proposing the changes and include your exact translation in some type of script form so that we know what is going on" thats what i was doing, but the problem started when he say only scanlation is Fact, so tell me is there any more disussion to be had after that? then in the same time he ask me to go change what i think is wrong in the wikia. Are you telling me im suppose to see good faith in this and not just Turambar trying to mock me, even more so stating all my findings are just mere complains.

So tell me since you, Donutsonfire believe in Turamber, what does he mean? Since you pointed out that this is a MATURE COMMUNITY.

"If I were you, I’d reconsider your actions and apologize. If you would like to voice out your opinions, we are more than glad to hear them, BUT…only under the conditions that you present them as “ideas”, and not something you’d like to force on others."

how about I suggest that you stick to what you preach then? Its a mirror. Is it unfortunately for me or is it FORTUNATE that I came to know how this communiy staffs behave? And yes you are so totally right, i have overstayed my welcome. And yet you still wants to says this is a PUBLIC wikia220.255.2.98 10:18, February 21, 2011 (UTC)Anon A

There is no point in banning someone who is about to ragequit just because they cannot withstand how the public conducts their manners. I’m very interested as to how you lead your real life. Please entertain me when you get the time. As far as your concern of my “threat”, it’s not a threat, rather a plain warning that has been re-emphasized due to your poor comprehension. Of course it’s not dictatorship. If it’s dictatorship, then we would’ve locked all the pages and ignored everyone’s opinion. Now that’s dictatorship. Please look up communism if you are interested in what a dictatorship looks like. True, you didn’t exactly phrase what I said, but you are implying it, and if I can infer that from what you were saying, then I’m sure many others can too. Also, that quite depends what you mean by “making thing” up. I’m not sure what you mean, but admins can make many “things” up.

I’m not been “omitted” by my own “rule”. It’s not a rule. Its common sense as to how one should behave in the public. Just because you are probably some obese geek hiding behind your computer screen, doesn’t mean you can make a public impression out on the internet. True, that I might have sounded a bit harsh, but it was in no way insulting. I was just voicing out my opinions on your behaviour.

Hmm…if you can’t believe what I write on my biography, then should you be challenging the integrity of everything you read on the internet? I’m not saying you have to believe what I say I am, and obviously it’s your choice, but seriously 去你媽的. How can I provide verification that I’m fluent in both Japanese and Chinese through the internet? I could just be using a very decent text translator. You’d never know. Be careful what you’re saying here bro. I’ve never referred to any of us as experts on HOTD. The only reason I’d say those things is a direct reaction to your attitude. If you had approved this topic with a much friendlier tone like others, then perhaps we’d actually read what you were writing. Actually, I did what you suggested, and I thought…”dayum this guy could be right!” until I saw your attitude, which judging from basic life experiences, people with negative attitudes tend to be wrong a lot of time, therefore dropping your credibility with me already.

And yes, based on your actions, I believe that’s how an admin should react.

I don’t know you. More like I don’t want to know you. If I knew a person like you in real life, I’d probably block you from any contact whatsoever. Such a rude person doesn’t deserve to be my acquaintance. Now you might think I’m acting high and mighty, but I’m sure many would think the same too. I know he’s acting in good faith because you’ve ignored his warnings, yet he hasn’t banned you yet. Turambar may have proposed the ban a bit too quickly, but your actions after the warning doesn’t correlate to the usual reactions people have after a warning. I’m not saying you should bow down or anything like that to Turambar after the warning, but what I’m saying is that, you should be at least a bit chiller after that. Yes you are in the wrong. How are you not in the wrong after conducting yourself with such disgrace?

Again, reiterating the “rule”. We haven’t made any “rules” as I said before. Rather, it’s common sense and basic etiquette. I sincerely hope that neither Turambar nor me have any slightest idea who you are. Generally, I believe, that I show respect to people who deem worthy. What would I do? I wouldn’t do anything because I’d never be in that type of situation where I’m cornered by two admins for unruly behaviour.

Well, you see, we haven’t exactly banned you yet…so I’m not sure how we’re unreasonable, but I think the saying goes “you reap what you sow” which in your case, fits perfectly. Treat others the way you want to be treated and what goes around comes back around. I pity your lack of common sense. By the way, feel free to look through all forum posts. I’m sure you’ll not find one glimpse of either me or Turambar being in the slightest way “unreasonable” or “insolent”.

Turambar, as far as I know, would never go so far as to mock someone. More like the reaction I should be displaying is “Are you high?!” We have not once rejected anyone editing the pages unless they were utterly useless. If you have a problem, change it. I don’t care what you do, but if you can get the approval of most of the users on this wikia, then so be it. We won’t go so far as to be like “oh dang, seems like everyone likes that idea…well f*** it we’re admin so let’s not give a s***” Of course you are to see good faith in this…I mean how in the world can you take that in the wrong way?! Either I should be applauding your creativity or be surprised by your sensitivity...I don’t know.

I would believe in Turambar any day of the week, 365 days a year over you. Not because he’s the chief admin or I’ve been working with him for quite some time, but rather, he’s a pleasant guy to work with and wouldn’t resort to using such a malicious tone.

Actually I do stick to what I preach. It’s not even what I preach, it what every sensible user on the wikia does…well except for you. A mirror you say? Hmm I look damn fine. I’m not sure what you mean by that but I know I support my ideals and everything is pretty much to my favour at the moment. Pretty much ask any user on this wikia and they’ll say that I listen to all their ideas. Oh so I guess you’re fortunate? Did you win like the lottery? Well you have my kudos. Perhaps you can by friends with that money now or take common sense classes. I believe we behave quite mannerly as I’ve never been this agitated, yet amused talking to you, who I’d say is the most peculiar user I’ve come across in a very long time.

Okay seriously, either you can improve your grammar or actually say what you want to say. I have no idea what “and yet you still wants to say this is a PUBLIC wikia” means. As far as PUBLIC wikia goes, it’s true. I may ban you, but I can’t stop you from returning. I’m not telling you to get out of here am I? I’m just suggesting that either you should change your attitude or find a better place to relinquish your negativity.

11:24, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

oh yeah insulting people, what a great guy you are, maybe Turambar can share on how many things that you make up base only on your last post. Again you come in hostile first then now plain insulting, so turambar is allow people shooting vulgarities in this website? So tell me vulgarities is allow and that is accept public behaviour?

"I’m sure you’ll not find one glimpse of either me or Turambar being in the slightest way “unreasonable” or “insolent”. so do I even need to go looking past this thread to find proof?

you been sprouting nonsense, using vulgrities and just plain making things up. So do Turambar behave in the same way as you do?

so prove proof of what you says can you do it? when did i says this or similar “OH you’re so f***ing stupid, that is totally wrong!” prove it.

of cause you are not unreasonable, you havent ban me, you just insult me and that is how a reasonable admin should behave.

I can go on and on and yet i doesnt need to resort to name calling and vulgarities and yeah im the one with atitude problem. oh so Turambar doesnt call me names and use vulgarities, so he must have atitude problems too, while you on the other hand... nope you are just fine.

Do i need to go on?220.255.2.99 13:48, February 21, 2011 (UTC)Anon A

How about both you and Donutsonfire calm down, this wiki is not made for people t oargue about stupid things.

MrPacheco101 19:34, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Anon A,

This has gone on too long. In my last post, I tried to be helpful and reason with you, but you completely ignored what I said. You seem to have it in your mind that what you're saying is right and nothing anyone else says matters. This is a very immature way of thinking, and it is not something we will not tolerate.

I admit I may have become a bit agitated in my second post. I took it a bit personally when you insulted this wiki in your second post. However, my tone never became uncivilized, whereas yours has been nearly throughout this thread. The one rule that applies to all sections of the forum is to keep a civilized tone. If you need proof of this, look at the top of each forum section page.

I don't know why you came to our wiki, but you haven't made an any effort to join the community, contribute to articles, or do anything other than alienate yourself from other users. You continued to be belligerent after I gave you a fair warning and tried to be friendly and help you. Regardless of what was said by either person in your conversation with Donuts, your response to my last post was enough to let me know that there isn't a good reason to keep you here. Although it will potentially diminish my reputation among other users, I'm going to have to ban you. I don't want to, but there's nothing else I can do.

I apologize to everyone that it had to come to this. I'll leave this thread here as an example of what type of behavior is unacceptable on our wiki.Turambar1 20:04, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yech, what a mess. Though, I feel it's worth mentioning, he was right about what Rei said. Her original text is "私はあなたと一緒にいる　一緒にいるためならどんな事でもする　たとえあなたが他の女のことを好きになっても　そうしなければ生き残れないから！" (for those who want to verify my translation) which translates to something like "I'm together with you. I'll do anything to stay with you. Even if you fell in love with another girl, if I didn't do that, then I wouldn't be able to survive!"

The bit about the bullying was incorrect as well, but that was fixed in XLG's later version of volume 2 so as long as we use the latest versions as the source here that shouldn't be an issue.

The early translations in particular were rough and inaccurate in areas, but they got progressively better at translating as the series went on. I think by volume 5 or so they were pretty much spot on. This was one of the primary reasons I wanted to do all the volumes again.Hotdcups 02:02, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

To Turambar1

Alright then good you can ban me, not that it is important from how i post nor from how i wanted to post since you wanted it to be the last so be it. Or maybe it is the best choice.

Still the same why do I post here in the first place, a forum is suppost to be for discussing issues that are not straight forward rather then people going straight to edit the pages, resulting in edit wars like your event with Saeko in the shine. And from what i got from you was what im doing is useless and pointless because you point out that since the available scans will be only souce of proof. you put it to mere complain. My point is that I started this thread to disuess what is wrong with some of the things in this wikia and instead of you calling people who may have expertise in language to discuss so as in the event that the things I pointed out maybe better or correct so as to better the wikia, you instead call it mere complains and things that will not be accept in this wikia, somemore then you suggest that I start a NEW thread to do the same thing im doing in the first place. You tell me from my point of view you as a chief admin are you not trying to mock me? Do I also need to remind you that when you said that you also suggest that I go straight to the articles and correct what I felt was wrong before even discussing which again is what im not wanting to doing.

So tell me, what are you trying to ask me to do?

yes you need to keep order in your wikia if you deem im not suitable then fine ban me, your choice, said it many times. Now your last reply only talks about me, your fellow admin Dountsonfire insult me and my mother using vulgarities and all i see you do is ban me. As a fair moderator as you are projected, so what are you doing about it?

Why am i not joinning? I ask you is there a point in me doing so? Are you suggesting that just because im not a name in the data base my words doesnt merit disucession when there MAY be some sense in it? I dont get my materials legally, I have my own sense of self that whatever in the end i may correct or make better anything, it is not my merit.

You are a chief admin, you state what i point out in a forum as just mere complains, are you sure you are not the one trying to alienate me from the community? Between your action and the hostile and vulgarities sprooting Dountsonfire, are both your effort tying to project that this is a good and mature community? need not to says that even before verify anything that it was declare JUST MY OWN OPINION. I ask him to verify, he start to insult me and my mother. Tell me is there any merit in me trying to join this community? If you are one day going to reply please do me a favour and specially answer this question.

Are you open to dialogue? Im asking you to admit where i felt you done wrong before things can move on. I still dont understand where am i not civilised in my tone. Tell me.

oh by the way, is insulting and using vulgarities in this forum all fine?

By the way after this long useless reply, if you deem there is nothing more you need to speck, i wont do so ever again too.

As a humble request, Can you then just delete and pruge this whole thread, makes all that is unworthy gone. Oh you can see I cannot control my IP, how about you also mass ban whatever IP i may be in.

Really do me a favour will you. Just delete everything.220.255.2.123 02:10, February 22, 2011 (UTC)Anon A

To Hotdcups,

this maybe a small request but can you point to me where the later version of volume 2 of xlc that corrected the part about kouta dialogue in the bus? I search and download a copy which it say is the later HQ version but it still says that he was buillied. oh yeah this will be the last then.220.255.2.123 02:10, February 22, 2011 (UTC)Anon A

If I have to ban multiple IPs, I will. Just to clearify things, there are actually a few resons I am banning you. First, you had a very negative tone which escalated to malicious from your second post to your third post. After I gave you a warning, you continued this behavior. The rules at the top of each forum section page say, "Please keep a civilized tone when posting," and you did not follow this. Next, I offered you advice and instructions for how to properly suggest changes, but you completely disregarded what I said. I even treated you as a member of our community and apoligized to you, though I still don't think I wronged you in any way. At the least, I expected an apology back, but I suppose I hoped for too much. Lastly, your negative tone worsened and carried over into your fifth post. It continued from there, but nothing after your fifth post factored into my decision.

You're problem was not the proposal that you made, but the way in which you made it. You basically made some claims without providing any support other than saying that you read something. I gave you advice as to how to do it correctly, but you didn't listen. For future reference, the way HOTDcups gave his translation (giving the Japanese text followed by his translation in quotations) is an excellent example of how this should be done. This allows users who can read Japanese to give their input without needing access to the raw source.

Donuts probably did speak a bit rashly, especially for an administrator, but your tone was still worse than his in your earlier posts. He, like me, was probably offended with how you insulted this wiki which we have spent countless hours working on, and I don't think he went too far. I had more patience with you than you deserved.

I'm setting the bans to only last one month, so feel free to come back and make a fresh start if you want. However, know that if we have to ban you a second time, it will be for much longer. Over the next month, I will continue to ban any IP address you use to edit. I would appreciate if you could make it easier on both of us and refrain from editting from any IP. I will lock this thread so nobody can edit it, but I won't delete it so it can serve as an example of unacceptable behavior. You are the only person who has ever caused any problems here, and I sincerely hope you will be the last.Turambar1 05:02, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we'll be deleting this thread anytime soon. Rather, I think we will be making an example of this thread for others to see. I think this thread is something we can all learn from and educate other new users.

After your long fuss yesterday, I did look into what you said about the Chinese translation. From what I can infer, some of chinese scanlations are indeed what you say, but how can we credit the Chinese translation as being superior to the English ones? I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I'd like to leave it as such for now.

Seeing from HOTDcup's post of the originial text, I do see some light in what you say. More so now that even HOTDcups has confirmed what you are saying. Maybe we'll get onto fixing that ASAP or you can do so yourself, if you feel like you need to take matters into your own hands.

As for your dynamic IP, I don't think any of us would care. Hell, you could even pretend to be a different person, but if your attitude and tone doesn't seem polite, even after a few warnings, then we'll ban whatever IP you have that day. Just think about...lots of fresh starts. We wouldn't even know who we are dealing with. So the next time you come to this wikia with a different IP, think of what I said, and perhaps next time we can have a much more pleasant chat.