Forum:Takashi's choice - Rei or Saeko?

As everyone knows Takashi can be seen as having romantic feelings for both Rei and Saeko. But opinon is split as to whom Takashi will ultimately end up with and so I would like to ask who would you like to see takashi end up with? Personaly I see Takashi ending up with Rei (even though I dont like her) as it would make sense to the the story as they have know each other for ages and promised to marry each other. However this is too predictable for my liking and I would prefere it If Takashi chose Saeko over Rei. ---Sam.C 17:47, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think Takashi's true feelings lie with Rei. He has known her since childhood, and it has been stated that he is in love with her. He seems to have more of an infatuation with Saeko. While it's obvious that he is attracted to her, I believe she may like him a little more than he likes her. Takashi's confusion is really just a matter of love versus lust. I think that, given an ultimatum, Takashi would choose Rei every time. By the way, the anime made Takashi and Saeko's relationship seem a bit closer than it really was in the manga. I think this may have been misleading to a lot of people.Turambar1 21:20, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I have only seen the anime so I wouldn't of know that.But i still want Takashi to end up with Saeko In the anime it comes across as if Takashi has equal feelings for both of them In my opinion and thiers no garuntee that the anime and manga are going to turn out the same. Along with all of that you still have Saya standing at the side looking in at Takashi. I think half of my problem with Rei is her attitude towards Takashi and she comes across quite childish in the anime where as Saeko seems more mature. Sam.C 22:04, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm guessing a solid Saeko if i was Takashi. As the story might (will) go, Takashi will end up with Rei due to their childhood promise. Ah too bad there's that. Watch him turn gay and go for Kohta though hehehe XD Donutsonfire 03:03, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

If Takashi ended up with Kohta I wouldn't be able to stop laughing!! that would be a weird twist in the story! Sam.C 08:42, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Of coures its gonna be Rei, she is pretty much the main female protagonist in the series and is the primary love interest of Takashi. i believe sooner or later Saeko will be consumed by her own sociopathic needs and turn on her own friends to satisfied it.

MrPacheco101 16:22, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

But of course! The author would really throw off the fans like that....oh boy i can imagine it right now hahaha

Saeko vvalues her promises above anything else and would never betray the ones she cares about. Personally I find the idea of her snapping and going all crazy stupid I see no way in that being in te manga or the anime. After recent opinion polls in Japan Saeko is the most popular character from Highschool Of The Dead with Rei in second. So why would they have the most popular character ur against the others? Also I think this is in no way an easy topic to awnser thier is no strait forward awnser and we will have to wait to see what happens. Sam.C 17:17, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

all i can say is who knows. maybe she will snap or maybe she won't, but u got to remeber she is not like the other member and she CAN be consumed by her own selfish needs whether she values promises or not its only part of human nature for us to take of our own needs first.

MrPacheco101 17:38, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok Im the first to admit I havn't read the manga so mabey its in thier. But when the heck has Saeko ever acted selfishly? I can't remember even one time when she chose herself over the other members of the group! Sam.C 18:34, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I actually like the idea of Saeko snapping. It really isn't as unlikely as it may seem to most people. With her personality, it wouldn't surprise me at all, and it would actually make more sense than if she remained loyal to everyone. Just imagine this scenario: Takashi realizes he loves Rei and tells Saeko there can no longer be anything between them, and Saeko snaps, leaving the group and becoming their enemy. At the very least, she would try to kill Rei. It's already apparent she holds some resentment towards Rei from the looks she gives her on certain occasions. The story has been lacking a major antagonist since Shido left, and I think Saeko could be great in this role. I know the majority of fans wouldn't want this to happen, but we have to keep in mind that mangaka don't always take their fans' opinions into consideration.Turambar1 18:41, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I would hate it if Saeko snapped as she is my favorite character. But I can't stand Rei so I wouldn't mind as long as she killed Rei. I hope Takashi ends up with Saeko though. Rei reminds me of Oriheme (who also annoys the hell out of me) so if she died it wouldn't be that bad for me. Sam.C 18:51, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Saeko used to be my favorite character as well, but then the anime came out and she was everyone's favorite character. I think the anime overexaggerated her character a lot, and it just made me like her a lot less. They also changed Rei a little in the anime, making her seem ditzy and annoying, or basically more Orihime-like. She is really a much deeper and more likeable character in the manga.Turambar1 18:59, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

@Turambar thanks for explaining it better than i did.@ Sam. Sorry i did not meant to say Saeko is a selfish person, but i meant to say that she does harbor a sociopathic nature unlike her teammates. And to Saeko fans Saeko is not katana chopping bad ass hero, she is a girl who struggles to keep her dark side from controlling her and needs somthing to put it down(i.e. Zombies) if not it will go out of control and she can kill a normal human being in cold blood. Like harvey Dent said in The Dark Knight " Either you die as a hero, or live to see yourself become the villain."-MrPacheco101

I prefer Rei with Takashi, and Saeko just as a close friend. I've only watched the anime too, but the manga probably won't change my mind. If Saeko did snap though, I would have thought that Rei would kill Saeko with her bayonet, then again this could lose viewers maybe...or just be a sad moment, but I doubt they'll seperate from each other. I'm not sure but I think there's a point where Saeko and Rei speak in Saya's house, and they hint at something but i'm not sure...It might be very important (probably explained in the manga, unless it's something really big, like relative, but that doesn't seem that likely). Garyvice

From what I have herd the manga and anime are very different so mabey my opinioon will chang after reding the manga. However just going by the anime Saeko is an all together more appeling character (to me anyway) she has a better personality when it comes to fighting. Just because she has a bit of a crazy side dosen't mean hat she's going to flip out and turn against everyone. As for Rei she is selfish as she hardly ever takes Takashi feelinngs into account before she blurts something out that would offend him. I can't say why because I don't know why myself but I have a grudge against Rei and I don't see that changing any time soon. Sam.C 19:14, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Garyvice, I think that moment you are talking about was when Rei called Saeko "senpai" and Saeko said she doesn't have to call her that. It was explained both a little later and at the very beginning that Rei was held back a year in school, and she should be in the same year as Saeko. Sam, I respect your opinion, but I hope your negative feelings for Rei don't carry over when you read the manga, because you may find that Rei is a much more likeable character than you thought.Turambar1 19:22, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Turambar is absolutely right. The characters seem somewhat different than the anime such as Rei being a bit nicer, Saeko being a bit more sexually aggressive etcDonutsonfire 19:29, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Sam. listen Saeko does not have a crazy side. she is a sociopath in both manga and anime, if u want proof then its simple, if she BEATS a person close to near DEATH and she ENJOYED it then that means u have a sociopathic nature, even if she is protecting herself that dosent mean u beat them like that. And when the hell Rei become selfish i never saw tht in both the anime or manga. And that personality Saeko has is just a mask only to hide what she truly is, if she wasnt raised the way she was by her family then she wouldnt even give a danm about who she hurt or killed. weither its a zombie or takashi himself. i hope im not being rude and i respect u for ur opinion

MrPacheco101 19:33, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

MrPacheco chillax. Each person has their own different views on the situation! I'd agree that Rei is evidently selfish in the anime and manga, but I guess the sociopath thing on Saeko is pretty much correct. As much as I'd like to think Saeko is not THAT, facts are facts...Donutsonfire 19:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC

I kno everybody has their own opinion and i hope i didnt offend anybody, if i did then im very sorry i get very heated up in a argument somtimes wether its important one or a stupid one lol :P-MrPacheco101

Its offical these forums hate me why does my reply always delete itself when I try to post it!?! Sam.C 19:43, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

That's cuz someone is editing it at the same time as well

Wikia should sort that out. Anyway what I was trying to say was that its funny that no matter what forum you go on after about three comennts the forum starts to drift off subject. But thats not a bad thing because you always have something new to talk about.Sam.C 19:51, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Lol that is true Sam MrPacheco101 19:55, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well as long as the main topic discussed here is Rei and Saeko, which it is, I'll leave it right here. Sam, the reason your reply isn't showing up is someone else is posting while you are. When this happens, just go to the bottom of the page(second text box), copy your reply, and post it in the first box.Turambar1 20:00, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the heads up and I'm not complaing about the subjet change I like it when the convasation stays interesting. Sam.C 20:04, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm still sticking with Saeko....dayum XD. Oh and in the case u are editing something big and that happens...it feels so crummy. Just remember to save once in a whileDonutsonfire 20:15, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

It sound like eveyone preferes Saeko over Rei even if they have different opinions on whats going to happen to her Sam.C 10:04, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I actually prefer Rei. I used to prefer Saeko, but that changed over the last couple months.Turambar1 11:55, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm looking forward to seeing what Rei is like in the manga.Sam.C 14:37, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Turambar1. I used to somewhat like Saeko, but over time, I started hating her because of how overrated she is with everyone, and also the fact that Rei gets so much hate and 50% of it is because of Saeko and all the business with that. I'm in the minority who prefers Rei in every way, since she's kind of my favorite character ever. But, anyways. I really do think Takashi should end up with Rei. I hate how some people say that Rei broke her childhood promise with him. She did not in any moment, they promised they would marry each other, and I'm sure at some point, Rei couldn't bear her remaining and still growing feelings for Takashi one day and break up with Hisashi. Takashi also completely neglected his part of the promise, imo, so it's not like she's the only one at fault. I've always thought things with Saeko, like said before, were just an infatuation. Between Takashi and Saeko, I see no chemistry and the only thing they have in common is that they like to fight, also, I honestly don't think Takashi likes her in a serious way, unlike Rei. I think it's more of a sempai adoration or a small crush, but I'm pretty sure he'd go much higher risks and his love for Rei is serious, at least a lot more than with Saeko. For Saeko, in my eyes, he only has a small crush and desire for lust.

I'm also a big supporter on the Saeko snapping thing. Not exactly because I dislike her, but I think it's very fitting for her character. Believe it or not, I watched this show with my mom(she's a cool mom!) and her favorite was Saeko, and I told her about it, and she completely agreed, even with Saeko being her favorite. The scenario posted in this thread back really fit well. Also, Saeko IS the best at fighting, and she knows it, and she could easily be over confident in her skills and it'll backfire on her when she thinks she could take on a big mob of Them, when she can't, and she'll meet her demise. I'd like her to become the major antagonist sometime. I don't see it happening so much, well, it depends, we have no idea really when the manga will end, but I think it'll be interesting.

I don't really see why some people hate Rei when she's just reacting to things like any normal person would, but oh well, everyone has their own opinion, and this is just mine. D; -Natalie1213 14:38, January 15, 2011(UTC)

Well thank you for your opinion Natalie1213. I agree with everything you said. I think the reason Saeko is so popular is because she is popular, if that makes sense. Saeko had already become an iconic symbol of the series when the anime started, and I feel they misrepresented her and Rei's characters because of this. It seems like they really tried hard to make Rei unlikeable and make it look like Takashi was much more interested in Saeko than he is in the manga. The kiss in the Shinto shrine took it a bit too far as it fueled the ridiculous theory that Takashi and Saeko had sex. The majority of fans (non-Japanese at least) watched the anime before reading the manga and therefore never really gave Rei a chance. If I had never read the manga I'd probably feel the same way.Turambar1  01:45, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Haha! The sex theory is truly ridiculous, but somewhat plausible. We can never be sure what to say for that scene, but according to the manga, not even the kiss happened. I believe that opinions are just opinions and people are welcome to share that, but they can't call that the truth. Also, I think Saeko is popular mostly cuz she fits perfectly with the moe moe and dere type that most otaku-ish guys dream about. As for Rei, it's true that she's underrated, mostly because as Turambar said, people watched the anime before reading the manga. If you did that, then you'd noticed how bad the animators made Rei look in the beginning of the series compared to the manga. I don't think some people's impressions ever bounced back from that. That's why the manga is the best!Donutsonfire 02:26, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well said, Donutsonfire. The manga is the best. I'm certainly not an expert on the concept of moe, but I'm not really sure Saeko would fall into that category. I think a lot of the attraction to her comes from her sex appeal associated with the mature older-sister type of girl. This is based on the non-Japanese fans (many "wannabe-otaku") who are really the only fans I come into contact with. I can't speak for the true otaku.Turambar1  03:26, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well the word "moe" is truly shrouded by mystery. It's been abused in so many situations that the word moe itself doesn't really have a meaning. Here in Japan, there are lots of otaku who are in my class say "moe moe" like 24/7. I don't think they even know what the word "moe" truly means. Basically from what i'm inferring, its meaning is probably something that has to do with like a stereotype attribute or scene that appeals to the otaku populace. Saeko herself obviously sells due to her sex appeal, and learning from the true otaku, purple haired characters in manga and anime series are often the "sexy" character. One must also not forget her "dere" when she's with Takashi. I think that's also a major selling point she's got that the other characters don't have, which highly attracts the male audience. You mentioned a point of Saeko being associated as the "nee-san" type girl. I'd agree with you more or less, but I haven't heard that from anyone here yet. Obviously doesn't rule out the possibility, eh? Haha I noticed you used the terminology of "wannabe-otaku". Personally i think most viewers of this show would be otaku, but back in Canada, most viewers i know AREN'T otaku people. I'd say they are "pseudo-otaku". Mainly because they are all men of 6 ft plus and play contact sports with passion. I guess they are all just closet-otakus like how I sort of am. Somehow, I dislike being branded with the mark as an "otaku". I think there's somewhat of a negative connotation as when I hear otaku, I think " fat, sweaty, weares glasses, short, and likes too much ecchi stuff". On the contrast, I'm 185 cm, fit, 20/20 vision, but yet my actions resemble those of an otaku, except for buying dolls and whatnot. God bless the worldDonutsonfire 08:33, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

My professor from my Japanese Culture class explained moe as a platonic relationship in which the girl makes the guy feel comfortable and satisfies him in a non-sexual way. She used the maid cafes as an example of where this type of relationship takes place. I think you're right though about it not really having a meaning anymore.

I used "wannabe-otaku" because I think many people in America call themselves "otaku" because they like anime or manga. In my opinion, you're an otaku if you're in Japan. If you're in America, you're a nerd or geek. The terms basically mean the same thing. I think a lot of people don't realize that you can be an otaku about things other than anime or manga. Also, calling yourself an otaku sounds a lot better than calling yourself a nerd, but if you go to Japan and call yourself an otaku, it would be the same as calling yourself a nerd here. Finally, I don't think a lot of the "wannabe-otaku" understand the level of obsession associated with the term. They may be enthusiasts, but probably not otaku. Personally, I don't mind being called an otaku, but since I'm American, I typically call myself a nerd. I don't really fit the stereotype though, so most people don't think of me as one unless they really get to know me.Turambar1  17:30, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

im a natural born geek, i love reading comics, manga, and watching anime, but im not wat u called a otaku because i really not into anime like tht when u have to buy the freaking $50 dolls for a souvenier thts how much some of these action figures are for $50 DOLLARS or even close to 300 ridiculous.MrPacheco101 19:08, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I agree to the country thing. It seems to make much more sense when you make a comparison like that! Also, I forgot to mention the fortune that these otaku spend on plastic dolls! I get the occasional $30-$50 ones, but the $100+ is kinda outrageous to me. Why would you spend $100 for something that is only an eyecandy for a short time? Well at least Otaku can have their dolls and nerds can have their computers. It works out both ways :D. Being an Asian rocks...you can be good with computer and still not get called a nerd! HahahaDonutsonfire 23:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah $100 does sound like too much, but I'm not one to criticize. I don't necessarily spend a lot on anime and manga stuff (other than HOTD), but I am an avid Star Wars collector, and I don't mind spending excessive amounts of money on stuff I really don't need. When I went to the SW convention last year, I spent around $500 on collectibles in the first three days. The most ridiculous part of it though is that I don't take anything out of its original packaging, so I basically just buy the stuff to look at in its package. It might actually be cheaper if I started collecting the plastic dolls instead. There's much less to collect as long as you focus on one or two series at a time.Turambar1  01:28, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Technically sticking to one or two series is cheaper, and I can agree to that as I have at least 20+ Master Grade Gundams at my house, but real otaku collect from a large number of series. I'm not sure if you are associated with Danny Choo, the famous webblogger / stormtropper in Akihabara, but he has a magazine he releases in cooperation with Kotobukiya called "Otacool". Otacool features rooms of otakus worldwide. Some of their anime and manga dolls occupy entire shelves, rows upon rows. I don't think one could compare to that. Also, they do include series from North America, and as you said Star Wars, which is very popular with retro otakus. Personally, I know of the expense Star Wars collectors have to undergo to purchase their rare finds, but the products otakus buy is not that chapter either as mentioned above, $100-$300. What's burning a hole in their pocket is not just a couple of figures from a series but more like 10+ figures from at least 20 series. Now i know why they can't afford dates and eat from convenient store nomsDonutsonfire 02:12, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

The one thing I just really detest is all the hate that's going on for Rei. I mean, seriously, every little move the poor girl does gets nitpicked by everyone. And since like 75% of the fandom roots for Saeko, most of those people completely hate her and are always comparing her to Saeko.

I'm hoping the authors -will not- do their ending based on popularity. Authors are supposed to write out their own story, not the story that fans want. If fans don't like their story and ending, oh well. There's always going to be that one person who dislikes a story, character, or ending, no matter how much it's loved by the majority, and vice-versa, so the authors might as well write out what they planned to make their story be. If Takashi is made to end up with Rei, so be it. If he's meant to be with Saeko, so be it. I will be pretty upset myself as an individual, but I can't deny or change the story myself, I'll have to accept it.

Really, I just wish people would look far more beyond into Rei's character, she's a much deeper character than other people think, and she's a character you have to look at things from her point of view, and understand she's taking everything like any real person would. She doesn't know how her parents are doing and if they're alive or not, the person she loves killed another person she cared about after seeing them turn into zombies, the world is in a zombi apocalypse, she failed a grade when it's a big deal over there in Japan, she has nobody but Takashi to rely on, and that DOES NOT make her a clingy, manipulative, and using b**** like everyone calls her. Everyone makes mistakes, she has, oh well. Honestly, i'd rather have a girl who tries to make up for her flaws then a girl who's basically perfect in everything she does. Call me biased, or whatever, but that's just my opinion in the minority here. I'm kind of just tired going to different sites and trying to join a Highschool of the Dead thread and it's like as if it were mandatory for Rei to be called so many pretty cruel names in every one. Opinions, I totally understand, but aaah, it gets tiring, you know? Not the opinions exactly, everyone has their own, but people not trying to look at things from her point of view and hating on her. D: Just wanted to get it off my chest because I'm sure this site won't go all up on you for your opinions and flame you just because you like Rei</3 I apologize if I'm sounding too whiny or biased! -Natalie 1213

Well, that was quite a rant, and don't worry, your frustration is understandable as long as you aren't directing it at someone here. Your opinion is valued here. You'll find that some people here actually agree with you, and the others either don't mind Rei or at least won't insult your opinions. Rei is certainly a complex character. I think many people don't think of manga/anime characters as being so complex, but one of the reasons I love this series so much is because of the depth of the characters. Daisuke Sato is a writer, not a typical manga artist, so many elements of HOTD go much deeper than a regular manga. I really wouldn't worry about the end being influenced by fans, I don't think either Daisuke or Shouji would let that happen, but hopefully the end doesn't come for a while either way.Turambar1  03:35, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Of course this site will not flame us for liking Rei as well. I think on a factor, most people here are quite ambivalent towards all characters and aren't too biased about them. Maybe just leaning towards a certain character though XD. It's good to hear what you truly think about Rei as I think that she is too underrated by most of the fans. You can even see Shouji Sato realizing the fact that Rei's popularity is quite low compared to Saeko. According to the February release of Dragon Age, there is a full-colour issue of Rei wearing cosplay...I think that's a tactic to boost Rei's diminishing popularity. I completely agree with what you say about her reactions, which seem quite human and realistic, but there are a few points where I must question you. Who likes sloppy seconds? I mean, Rei dumped Takashi for whats-his-face, just cuz "he never realized my feelings". Later, after whats-his-face died, she moved back to Takashi as if whats-his-face was just a temporary guy. How is that not manipulative? She basically reverts back to Takashi only because he is her last option, not because she wants. Like seriously, who can move onto a new love interest right after their current boyfriend died? Anyways it's always good to hear honest thoughts of people who aren't immensely biased towards Saeko! Oh, and your opinion is definitely not the minority. I'm sure there could be lolicon otakus out there who wish it was Takashi X Alice. Now tell me THAT's the minority! Haha! I believe most readers on here don't actually hate her at all, and new readers who might be negatively biased towards Rei might be more or less softened up due to our fair article on her. Afterall, this wikia is not created to hate on specific characters, but rather provide fair, unbaised information on all of them. Though i still prefer Saeko though...*teehee*.....one woman like Rei in life in good enough! At least let me have some fantasies jeeeeezzz XD Donutsonfire 03:54, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha yeah I've seen a few of the lolicon people out there talk about Alice. I've also seen some yaoi enthusiasts suggest Takashi end up with Kohta. Most of these are jokes, but I've seen some that are serious. As for Rei using Hisashi, it's fairly obvious she still loved Takashi the whole time, whether she was using Hisashi to make him jealous or not. I don't want to sound misogynistic here, but I think some girls (really most humans to some extent) are just manipulative by nature. It doesn't necessarily mean it's negative manipulation or Rei meant to hurt Hisashi, it just shows that love will make people do crazy things sometimes. I never really prefered Rei over Saeko until everyone started making a big deal about Saeko. I like each of the girls for different reasons, but I like Rei a little more than the others.Turambar1  04:21, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

See natalie? We all have different views on people, but we're not biased into saying that "OH SAEKO IS THE BEST" or "REI IS THE BEST" or even "SAYA IS THE BEST". I believe we take things here quite orderly and I'm pretty sure we're all unbiased about the characters. I think what you said about Rei's nature is quite true! Most girls in real life are like that! Therefore, since most fans would like to "escape reality", naturally saeko who's like the girl only in your dreams, would be their favourite. I don't like the big fuss everybody made about Saeko and judging by what you wrote, I think we're in the same boat. Sure she looks good, has good chest, ideal women, "dere-dere" to males, sexy, and kind, but we must not forget what women truly are. I think Rei's low popularity also stems from the fact she is like most girls in real life. Possibly...Donutsonfire 05:03, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I'm so relieved! I was afraid that I was being too biased or any of the like, and I certainly didn't direct my rant at anyone here, and I hope it didn't come off that way! I'm glad there's finally a place where I can talk about things without being attacked for which main heroine I like, and I agree with everything you've both said. I mean, Rei has her flaws, but what I really like is that even if they might not be in the best or more obvious ways, she tries to make up for them, like she's always looking out for Takashi and looking out for others, and if she offends people she apologizes, you know? She sometimes loses it but sooner or later she tries in her own way to fix things, I think, and I like that she tries. I hate going to 4chan or mangafox sometimes and just seeing everyone hate on Rei, and some even hate on Saya, and I myself like Saya a lot, too. I think they're all good characters for different reasons even if I like some more than others, and I'm also hoping the ending wont come anytime soon, I wish the manga was a bit more frequent though! I mean, this is my favorite series ever and I'd like to have even more of it <3 And I totally understand about the dream girl and reality girl thing, I've heard it a lot before, and it's true, since you probably won't find a girl who can slay zombies like it's no chore like Saeko.

I was talking to someone on mangafox one day who also agrees on the whole Rei thing, and I was surprised that they told me that they believe that Saeko sometimes does things or flirts with Takashi to get Rei mad. Opinions? D: I think there's been a few times where she does but I also think she likes Takashi in one way or another, y'know? She's kind of mysterious still, which is why I like the idea of her becoming the main antagonist sometime. -Natalie 1213

Well Natalie let me give u my theory about how Saeko will become an antagonist. Saeko is what you call a "sociopath"- a person who gets gratification off of someones pain. Her socipathic nature was probably born out of self defending herself against her assualter which unleashed the "dark passenger" within and she continues to beat the assualter until he was severly bruised and have a broken femur(if im correct), when Saeko learned she enjoyed being in power, she became afraid and hid behind a "mask" she made after her families "code of honor"( thus making her a nee-san type person);when the zombie outbreak happen she learned tht she can unleash the darkness within her by destroying "them", but Saeko then realized when she was fighting off "them" with Takashi tht she is losing her "humanity" at the cost of satisfying her urges. Once takashi accept Saeko as she is(which will be thing tht might cause her to progress farther from beating people), she began to unleash her urges even more on "them" which causes some characters to notice(mostly Shizuka), and if it continues Saeko will probably become bored of just killing Them and probably move torwards forcing her urges on other survivors or even her own group(most likely Rei will be her main target).

Personally i believe tht Saeko dosen't really "love" Takashi, but wants to cling on someone to remind her of the humanity tht she strives to keep, but cannot due to her nature. Thus thts why she flirts with him and agrees to something he said to get Takashi to pay more attention to her rather than his true object of affection Rei; as Turambar said before Takashi will realize that he loves Rei and tell Saeko there cannot be nothing between them thus will make Saeko finally snap and loose the rest of her humanity and start targeting those she despise.

God reading about serial killers for fun in middle school really does help give you some knowledge of what goes on in a serial killers mind and thank you Dexter for the term Dark Passenger

Term: Dark Passenger: a term used by Dexter Morgan uses to represent the "demon" or "dark urges" within all of us. the passenger usually comes out during a dark event or a dark interest mostly.MrPacheco101 22:47, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Haha it's okay Natalie! I've been commenting on the mangafox forums as well, but really, most viewers there are highly biased against Rei, so it'll probably be the least biased place you can go to!

As for you, mrpacheco, I see the reasoning behind your theory, which could very like be true, but I'm sure Sato-sensei won't really do that anytime soon? I do believe that if Saeko snaps, then her main target could be Rei, as she is the source of Takashi's affection, which Saeko is probably going to get jealous about. The humanity thing you said is a tab bit awkward sounding to me, but as i said before, we can't declare anyone's theory impossible or outrageous...just yet? Haha! I think Saeko geniuenly *pardon the poor spelling* has some type of romantic feeling towards Takashi. We can't say for sure that it's confirmed that Saeko "loves" Takashi, but certainly their relationship is a bit more than just "being friends". I think Saeko sees Rei as a contender for Takashi's affections and we can all tell from a few chapters in the manga that Saeko is serious about fighting over Takashi. Well anyways, we can't confirm anything just yet until we see what's drawn right? Haha Donutsonfire 00:04, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I really am looking forward to a Saeko-antagonist type of thing, even if it probably won't come for a long time, I'm hoping for it. I think it would be pretty interesting, especially since it doesn't look like Saeko will restrain her desires to kill them too much, and she'll be a tough enemy considering her fighting skills. I know most people wouldn't like it if she's in danger of being defeated by the group, but maybe some people will like the fact she'll be a cool villain. Some people are getting tired of Shido surviving everything that comes at him and think it's time for a new antagonist, and Saeko would fit this role very well. Either that, or she dies due to her overconfidence in her skills? Honestly, I think we can't really predict much with our newest chapter. It's kind of hard to predict and theorize things in advance with HotD, you never know what'll happen in the next 30 pages that follow up in a few months. As long as Rei doesn't die, I'll be okay. ;__; And if her and Takashi end up together it would make Natalie very happy! I really do agree with Takashi's true feelings lying with her. Even if he's confused as of now between her and Saeko, I think in the end he'll still realize that he loves her the way she is now and has loved her all along, not the other way around. If Saeko dies by the end, I actually just kinda hope it's not a horrible zombie death. Even if I dislike her or dislike another character, I don't want to see a horrible zombie death for any of the characters. Except maybe Shido and Miku. Maybe. But anyways!

Really, like my mom once said, I think a different guy would suit Saeko better than Takashi, one better suited for her. Takashi is better suited for Rei, while I think Saeko needs another type of guy, iunno? -Natalie1213

a sociopath needs another sociopath XDMrPacheco101 00:40, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Miku-chan <3 Haha She can't die! LOL Yeah I agree with what you say about HoTD being unpredictable as it is. Although we all have our personal theories...i still like mine the best XD! Polygamy is the only way, after Takashi is Harem Leader afterall...hehe. I wonder what will happen to Saya's feelings though. The only reason I say polygamy is because I can't choose a girl without feeling bad for the other. Ah SATO-SENSEI WHY DID YOU MAKE THEM ALL SO DYNAMIC! Haha! I think you're actually quite right about the Shidou character getting a bit too...old and redundant. His cockroach survivability skills are astounding, but come on, we all want him dead...like now please? He's not much of an antagonist I think...he's just an annoying ASSet to the story. I think a good antagonist would be......ah whatever I don't think we'll be seeing a new antagonist anytime soon, and I doubt it'd be Saeko...but keep your fingers crossed u anti-saeko people :P Donutsonfire 00:51, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

i can't really say i hate Saeko even though i call her a sociopath in truth she is(although some saeko fans would try to prove me wrong like my friend Frandy), i just hate it that the anime made her look like a fuckin Lara Croft, an ustoppable killing machine that can do superhuman flips and do the boob matrix like its no problem thts horse shit! but im done complaining about.

for some odd reason i do this to any character for any anime series i like, i usually compare them to a show or comic series i like because if ur me u can find the biggest comparisons between the most opposite characters.For Saeko the person that she compares to the most is Dexter Morgan from Dexter(if u havent watch the show WATCH IT!). and here the comparison i made....

- Both hide there true nature behind a "mask".

Ex. Dexter appears as the ordinary boy next door ,while Saeko appears as sweet, kind, and caring person

- Both control their "urges" by eliminating an ever occuring evil presence

Ex. Dexter tracks and kill serial killers, while Saeko satisfies her urges by killing "them".

-Both follow their own code of honor given by someone they loved.

Ex. Dexter follows the Code of Harry given to him by his foster father; Saeko follows a code passed down by her family.

-Both love and care for children

Ex. Dexter tries to be good father and mentor to his step children Astor and Cody; Saeko tries to be the big sister to the youngest memeber of the gang 7-year old Alice-chan.

Is it a little strange? idk depends on how u think about it?MrPacheco101 01:18, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm I'd say they have strikingly similar identities...aside from the boy/girl thing. I think Saeko is a really nice person who just....gets a whack out of doing something most people wouldn't like to do...Actually I'm sure we'd all like to go a killing spree chopping up zombies right? Well I do! In my Kendo dojo I go to, most people are actually "nice" people, but as soon as we step on the floor ready to duel, our nice facade has seemingly vanished and we go for a bloodlust. I think that's the same class for Saeko, afterall, all the people who do Kendo I know are actually quite violent deep down, but has a very kind and caring demeanor normally. Even I have the feel sometimes. I get the rush when I bodycheck someone into the boards in hockey or i get a "high" from just dueling someone in kendo, whether I win or not. I think Saeko has a bit of what most kendo practitioners have, but I think she might take it to a whole new level... I mean, i've yet to see someone go under orgasm just from winning in a kendo match...Donutsonfire 01:24, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

"IM GETTING WET!!!!!!!" Best Fucking Line Ever!XD but understand wat u mean people do get high overpowering somebody, but wat sets her from just wat kendo guys is just she enjoys seeing somebody being mangled and not stopping beatting them until their a pulp. i mean i understand winning, but she just did that for self defense and thts just overstaying ur welcomeMrPacheco101 01:31, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that's exactly what I meant by taking it too far. I've done that before, but you feel guilty after doing that...unless it's a harasser? I think if i was in Saeko's position i'd fucking broken his balls or did something worse than beat him to a pulp...Afterall, virginity in Asia is highly prized and getting raped while a being a virgin is a very serious serious issue. Donutsonfire 01:34, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Damn straight donutsonfire. but either way we all have our opinion.MrPacheco101 01:46, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Haha yeah Saeko's a creepy sociopath...I'll give you that...but her looks have gotten me hooked XD...>Donutsonfire 01:55, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

lol nobody can nvr turn down a katana zombie hot chick its virtually IMPOSSIBLE!MrPacheco101 02:33, January 19, 2011 (UTC

Except Natalie XD She's a masochist Donutsonfire 02:36, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

W-WHAT ;__; UM UM. WELL YEAH. I GUESS I AM...BUT.

YOU KNOW. I-IF REI EVER NEEDS HELP PUTTING ON SOME COSPLAY CLOTHES.

I-I could happily help her. <3 Natalie1213 02:41, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hey I think I can help too~ hehehe.....i'd be more than happy to do it for Shizuka as well...or Saya.....but especially Saeko *drools* haha! I wonder who Takashi would choose to help...Donutsonfire 02:44, January 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * would let saeko do hers herself 8D*

b-but...

I declare myself forever Rei's slave. Rei and only Rei! <3 If she needs help with other things I could help, too...~ =w=

Shizuka I would have so much trouble with around her chest that I would give up. I would do Saya's and Rika's, but I'm Rei's slave, so unless she tells me to~

And Takashi, oh my god. I bet he'd like get a boner and you know. before getting anywhere with putting on cosplay clothes on them. XD Natalie1213 02:47, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah...I remember when he got a boner just from seeing Saeko in apron and a thong....LOL WHO WOULDN'T. LOL natalie are u really a masochist...?Donutsonfire 02:50, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

O-oh no no no, of course not! D: It's just since I don't exactly like her too much that I wouldn't but of course I'm not haha! ;__; I swear! *embarassed* Natalie1213 02:53, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oh its k, we all have our own lil' issues. Anyways, back on topic. I wonder why this thread didn't have an option for Saya...I thought her F cups were pretty nice.....nom nom nomDonutsonfire 02:58, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Haha, this thread is getting a bit weird. I like all the girls, but sadly, I'd have to stay away from Rei and Saya. After all, I don't feel like going to prison. I guess I'm stuck with Saeko, which really isn't a bad thing. I wouldn't mind Rika or Asami either.Turambar1  03:16, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Why would u go to prison for liking Rei or Saya??? LOL. Yeah Rika/ Asami/ or Shizuka seems like good choices tooDonutsonfire 03:18, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it's that Rei and Saya are so irresistible that we can go to jail if we go too far? 8D /thats how I take it hehe

I don't want to go to jail either but =w= Natalie1213 03:23, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Well I wouldn't go to prison for liking them. I was talking about theoretically engaging in physical activities with them. It's illegal to do that with a minor (I'm 21), and I wouldn't want to be labeled as some creepy pedophile.Turambar1  03:27, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

if i had to choose between HOTD girls it would have to be Saya why? because she likes a latina bitches at first, but gives u lots of lovin later time to put on "Sexual Healing" by Marvin Gaye or "Lets Stay together" by al Greene to set the mood baby XDMrPacheco101 03:29, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

^ correct. Saya or Saeko...nom nom nom XD haha! It's good to be in grade 11 !Donutsonfire 03:36, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

hell yeah Donut but u gotta to admit, Asami got a nice looking ass am i right or am i right XDMrPacheco101 03:44, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

you are right and you are right...no wonder thats what Kohta was going afterDonutsonfire 03:55, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I honsitly didn't like Saeko at first because i thought she was kinda fake interms of that whole mask thing but I can appceet her now because my brother and boyfriend pointed out afew good things about her but they don't like Rei as for me I like Rei better no matter what becasue she does love Takashi and he loves her too and I think their feelings for eachother was always there. I feel as if Takashi however, took advantage of Saeko's feels I don't thinks she loves him but like whatshisname said there is a relaitonship between them which definaty makes them more than friends,but it seems as if Takashi lust her more than he likes her.And Rei didn't brake her porime because they promise to get married not to stay together so if they were to brake up which they did they could always get back together also someone else as mention that in episode 1 Rei told Takashi she had feelings for him but he rejected her he did show that he "cared".Rei is not perfect and we need to look at things from her point of view like whathisname said Takashi is not perfect either and he is partly to blame for how things played out also

Did Rei and Takashi kissed in episode 6 ? bf said Takashi pushed her off but i thought they kissed please reply finegirl1993 june 2nd 2011

I'm glad to see another Rei fan. Their aren't too many of us on here, or anywhere for that matter. Rei and Takashi did kiss in episode 6 as well as chapter 6. They stopped because Takashi didn't want it to go too far and because Kohta called him to the balcony. They kissed again in episode 11, but it never happened in the manga. It should also be noted that Takashi and Saeko's kiss in episode 9 never happened in the manga. I don't think there are any sort of romantic feelings between Takashi and Saeko, even if it's only lust. The feelings Takashi has for Saeko are strong respect and admiration. Unfortunately, the major demographic that makes up the HOTD fanbase thinks a bit too sexually and misinterprets certain situations. The anime plays on this by adding excessive sexual innuendos to appeal to the teenage male audience.Turambar  16:27, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yay, more Rei fans!

I don't think there are many people who take the time to think of things from her perspective and put themselves in her shoes, especially when she's called "manipulative" in every corner, and I don't see why. She's not a bad person at all. I find her very sweet and makes an effort to make up for her errors. I'm glad more people are growing to like her even if just a bit more. I really hope we get more moments between them soon enough in the manga so that their relationship can pick up again, since things were a bit bitter in the mall arc. But I love that about their relationship too, it's really real and complicated and it's not just lovey dovey, there's hard times and other emotions in there too. I think Takashi just admires and respects Saeko and gets flustered by her mature and attractive appearance that has sex appeal going for it for a lot of males. I do think though, that Saeko likes him. But she likes him way more than he likes her, if he likes her beyond the point of lust. Natalie1213 19:59, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

I am a Rei fan to the end but in all fairness the only bad things I can say about Rei is that she dumped Takashi for his bestfriend which is a no no in my book and she hurts his feelings and my guess is she is just trying to ventwhereas Takasshi is holding in everything but everyone makes mistakes and she shows she cares for him BUT if she keeps hurting him I don't see a future for them a person can get frustrated when there in a rollercoaster relationship and I feel like Takashi could have been there for her more ,he kinda left her vulnerable and his bestfriend was there for her when he wasn't. In my opinion it could also be that his bestfriend took advantage Rei too.What I'm really trying to say is no one is perfect and neither is Rei so please stop hating on her so much.

finegirl1993 12:02 am june 4,2011

I have to correct you on something. Rei didn't dump Takashi for Hisashi, she simply got tired of waiting for Takashi to realize his feelings for her. Only when she got with Hisashi did Takashi understand that he was in love with Rei. To put it in the words of Cinderella "Don't know what you got till it's gone" (yes, I just made an 80s glam metal reference). The point is, I think if anyone is at fault, it's Takashi. The reason Rei is appealing to me is because she is just a normal girl. Of all the girls in HOTD, she is the most realistic and is therefore the most complex. I enjoy the character depth Rei has. It's not a trait commonly found among female characters in shounen manga. I find the other female characters, excluding Saya and particularly Saeko, to be a bit archetypal and flat, though they are still more developed than characters in most manga series.Turambar  05:14, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

thanx for clearing up the missunderstanding I got it ^_^ i hope they make a season 2 so bad

finegirl1993 1:23 pm

I have been wondering about what they'd do with the Rei, Saeko, Takashi triangle they seem to have going. Personally I think it'd be more interesting if Takashi picked Saeko for a while and then Rei later on. I kinda like the idea of Saeko becoming an antagonist but It'd have to be done carefully, and probably better in the manga. Rei and Takashi's relationship spans a good number of years plus they have a closer connection, sure Rei went for Hisashi but Takashi smashed him when he turned, and Rei still kisses Takashi so it seems way more likely. As far as Saeko is concerned, I'd pick her over Rei any chick that can kill dozens of zombies with a katana, and a smile on her face and still cook dinner at the end of the night is cooler in my book.

Plus her a Takashi seems too much like a lust relationship, if that, Takashi does have a lot of respect and admiration but he only admitted it to her when they were about to be swarmed by "Them" outside the dojo so I'd think for him it be just more of a lust thing for him but it would be something else for Saeko he would probably be the only one she ever told about how she truly is and he accepts that. She'd get more and more bloodthirsty, Mrs. Shikawa would tell Saya about it she'd tell Takashi if he didn't notice already. Something would happen, preferably if Saeko kills Shido cause I don't recall ever actually seeing him die in the manga or anime cause that would do away with the old antagonist perfectly. Takashi splits with Saeko, she snaps accuses him of not " taking resposibility" like he told her he would or something.

Hehe anyways sorry that got so long winded but thats the only way it could make sense in my head at least. Saeko just doesn't seem to be the type who would simply go nuts just because Takahsi picks Rei, it would have to be more personal than that. Rei is still cool, and more believable besides, but if it came to an actual fight, I hope never happens, Saeko would waste her in seconds and it'd be kinda dumb considering. If Saeko were to actually die by zombie because her bloodlust gets her killed given how this love triangle has been building up it'd be silly for it to turn out that way and probably sad, Saeko fans would howl. Somethings gonna happen I can't wait.Artist Imperfect 04:28, June 20, 2011 (UTC)Artist_Imperfect

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 * This whole thread would be an amazing place for the Sato Brothers to gather feed back from the community on HOTD... if they want to truly please the audiences and fans of this series then they had better read this dam forum for inspriation