Forum:Using English Fan Translation as a source for write up is not Good

Well it has come to my understanding that somehow the english FAN translation of the manga is like a whole lot off.

Example in the quote from character sheet of Miyamoto Rei: If you ever fell in love with another girl... I wouldn't be able to live on!" (To Takashi).

After I read the English Fan translation, then the chinese Fan translation then the Japanese Original... it came to me that what she mean is the following

- she (Rei) wants to be with takashi, she will do anything to be with him even if he will fall in love　with another girl because without doing that she cant survive.

As you can see it give a whole lot different meaning. And it also give more sense as to　why takashi later response as to he does not know to be happy or angry.

there is of course other parts such as at chapter 2 when takashi volunteer to go out to test saya theory so they can leave the school from door and Rei questioning is also not translated properly and some many other parts of the story too.

unless someone can give a better look on it i have confident in my translation of that.

so what im saying is the small minor but important detail throughout at least the earlier translation have quite some problems and because of the Rei is actually being portray as kind of negative. No doubt that other people characters and actions are affected too because of what i believe is in lacking of the ability of the translator.220.255.2.132 11:54, February 20, 2011 (UTC) Anon A

Did you read the scanlations on an online manga reader? If so, you probably read an earlier version. [XLG] retranslated the first 5 volumes, and they even retranslated Volumes 1 and 2 a second time. They knew their translations weren't good. That's why they did them again. Japanese isn't the easiest language to translate into English, and there's always going to be something lost in translation; whether they are official translations or not. We could use the official translations when they are released (slowly over the next year+), but these tend to overly Westernize manga to appeal to the people who don't know much about Japanese culture. For this reason, you really can't rely on them to convey the original message either. I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest, but I think we should continue to use the scanlations as our primary source at this time.Turambar1 15:56, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well after listening to you i went to find xlg HQ to read. it in 832 x 1200. I can tell you i went and see 2 pages that I find is translated in the English FAN translation thats like totally out of context and what i see in the HQ of it the translation is still the same.

alright it was never mention that kouta was ever bullied by his classmate nor was shidou just looking and not doing anything about it. the scene is after kouta miss his nail shot at shidou. that translation is just plain wrong and go take a look at kouta character sheet. The bullying form the CORE of his history where it never happen at all. unless you tell me kouta said it elsewhere. And for a wika, this information is just misleding and wrong.

My first post example is a source of importance, it fueled numerous flame war around the net and yet nobody i come across actually point out that the translation of that is like totally different meaning. The people reading the uploads AND the wika just use the wrong translation as a SOURCE and FACT.

So instead of Wika being a site to transmit correct information, it as of now is just another place to distribute wrong information. Note that im not talking about some alternate ways of translating a line or talking some libery when translating but translating to a different meaning. Of couse in the end it is up to you people who maintain the place what you choose to do, im just a passerby 220.255.1.110 18:10, February 20, 2011 (UTC) Anon A

Well, I agree about the Kohta thing. I didn't know that was still on his page. If you find stuff like that, it would be great if you could fix it. There are only a few of us who are active on here right now, and no one really has much time to edit. Please, instead of complaining in the forum, do something about it. The point of a wiki is to have an online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, so take advantage and join our community.

It doesn't really matter if the translations are right or not. The scanlations are the only widely available English-translated source of the manga, so we have no choice but to accept them as fact. If there are major changes in the official English volumes, we will discuss at that time whether we will change anything on the wiki or not, as we did with the English release of Volume 1. Until then, what comes from the scanlations is fact, and I'm sure most other users here will agree with me.Turambar1 18:54, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

As of this writing now kouta entry was edited by you Turambar1 a day a ago and yes it still there and it being writen as his CORE history. oh yeah so it doesnt matter if the imformation is right or wrong as long as because it came from a scanlation so it must be FACT, so why are you then agreeing on the kouta issue? Scanlation say he was bullied so he must be. Arent you now being selective then? And yet you still asking to go correct those FACTS?

And I pointed out things which according to scanlation is just my own fanfiction and yet you are asking that i go input it?

Im so glad that im complaning here instead of editing, i now see that by pointing out grave errors of establish facts are just people complaining. It really doesnt pays, all my works are just complains. yeah passing through.... mind leting me know where does that volume 1 discussion you says take place? if you are so kind. 220.255.1.133 20:38, February 20, 2011 (UTC)Anon A

You need to calm down a bit. I don't want to have to ban anyone, but this is your one and only warning.

The scanlation is being considered fact because that's all there is. There aren't multiple translation sources to choose from. I don't know how to make this any clearer. This is an English wiki, and most people here can't read Japanese, so we don't have any other option than to go with the scanlations. If you can read Japanese, by all means, enlighten us.

Yeah, I edited Kohta's page, but I only got on there to change a title. When I have 96 articles, over 200 images, templates, forums, blogs, and administrative pages to monitor, I don't really have the time to go through and read an entire article to clean it up. People add new stuff to articles all the time, and I don't have time to keep up with all of it. I have other stuff to work on, and I trust the other users to help keep up with that kind of stuff.

The discussion was in a blog I posted here. Keep in mind the warning I gave you here carries over to there. If you can't keep a civilized tone, don't be surprised if you are banned.--Turambar1 21:43, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

ok so it comes to this, am i the one with problems or are you the one with the attitude problems that you need to chill. you say you want people to enlighten you, yet you again say the scanlation is the fact. so how are you going to explect people who may know better help? No matter what they point out, it is not fact that here accepts.

If you still dont see how ridiculous your stand is, if you still dont see how when people like me see something which they find incorrect come to the forum first to discuss first instead of go correcting straight away, then i have nothing to add.

For all im trying to do, you are the one who devalue it to just mere complaining, you are the one who wants help yet again not accepting any that you deem not correct regradless of authentication.

When i point out the flip flopping of your standards you are the one threatening people with ban, twice! And yes now this is complaining for your information.

well you are the one with the authority, for all i wish to share and help and pointing out your inconsistency, you are the one threatening to ban me and that is civilized tone?

How about you purge this whole talk? And ban me. 220.255.2.136 04:18, February 21, 2011 (UTC)Anon A

I didn't threaten you, I gave you a warning. You're previous posts were growing more defensive, and giving you the ban warning was a way to prevent it escalating any further. It is my obligation to ensure any users who could be detrimental to this wiki are dealt with. Whether that means banning or not is up to the user in question, hence the warning. I know you probably don't plan on vandalising the wiki, but I have to take the precautionary measure nonetheless. Just to let you know, your tone in the last post was better, but it could still improve.

I'm going to make my point one more time. I'm not trying to say the scanlation is the only source and nothing else is acceptable. The scanlation is the only source that is available to everyone. Your personal translation and interpretation is only available to you. We can't just let everyone contribute based on their own translations which differ from the widely available source or we would have too much conflicting information. If you would like us to consider changing our information to something other than what is in the scanlations, the proper way to do so would be to start a new forum post proposing the changes and include your exact translation in some type of script form so that we know what is going on. The community will then discuss whether to make those changes or not. Also keep in mind that, just because you interpreted something a certain way doesn't necessarily make it right. Some phrases can be interpreted several different ways, so it would behoove you to keep an open mind to other translations.

I hope this post has been clearer than my others. I don't think I ever used an uncivilized tone, but if I offended you in some way, I apologize. If you plan on taking my advice about how to propose the changes, I suggest you register and get a username so you can officially become part of our community.Turambar1  05:20, February 21, 2011 (UTC)